Posts by jonathan dough

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Is there any hope for the uneducated Jw's?

by highdose in

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i was thinking of the ones who would say to me " i don't like to read/study" " i'm not really academinc".

are these people doomed to blindly follow the gb forever, thinking that all the study has been done for them and they will just belive what they are told?.

is it mainly the smart thinking people who leave?.

jonathan dough

Some of the dumbest people I know are PhD smart.

And some of the wisest never finished high school.

If someone is "smart" enough to read and believe WT literature and based on that logic join up, they can employ the same smarts to un-join.

The basics really aren't that complicated. The complication arises when the WTS stuck their dirty little fingers in there and turned everything upside down. Most don't realize it but much of the JW arguments were written by lawyers. Hence the unnecessary complexity.

Smarts don't get you saved. Grace does, and faith.

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Examining Scripture to see if Jesus was, and is, God.

by jonathan dough in

i'll start with john 14:8-10. .

scriptural support for the triune nature of god, and the gradual recognition that jesus christ, the word incarnate (john 1:1), was and is god, can be found throughout the bible.

the evidence is abundant and unfolds like a flower, foreshadowed in the old testament and revealed in the new testament.

jonathan dough

Jeremiah sent me a pm and he stated that while Jesus is "a god" he is not the almighty God.

Oops. I thought you meant Jeremiah the prophet. Never mind. Agreed on what you said.

http://144000.110mb.com/trinity/index.html#trinity-home

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Examining Scripture to see if Jesus was, and is, God.

by jonathan dough in

i'll start with john 14:8-10. .

scriptural support for the triune nature of god, and the gradual recognition that jesus christ, the word incarnate (john 1:1), was and is god, can be found throughout the bible.

the evidence is abundant and unfolds like a flower, foreshadowed in the old testament and revealed in the new testament.

jonathan dough

the Divinity, (sometimes lowercase) the Deity.

According to this fourth definition they seem to be the same. Can one separate the Deity from the Divinity? I don't think so. And where does the Holy Spirit fit into either of these things?

Are you saying that divinity is in all things? Fecal matter? Satan's bowels?

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Examining Scripture to see if Jesus was, and is, God.

by jonathan dough in

i'll start with john 14:8-10. .

scriptural support for the triune nature of god, and the gradual recognition that jesus christ, the word incarnate (john 1:1), was and is god, can be found throughout the bible.

the evidence is abundant and unfolds like a flower, foreshadowed in the old testament and revealed in the new testament.

jonathan dough

Here's another good reason why Jesus was and is God and cannot have been a mere man.

The Father and I are one - (John 10: 27-30)

This verse is often cited in support of the divinity of Christ, that Jesus was, and is, God. They are not two, but one. The Jehovah’s Witnesses continue to argue that it only means they are one in purpose, nothing more. They reason that at John 17:21, 22:

Jesus prayed regarding his followers: “That they may all be one, and he added, “that they may be one even as we are one.” He used the same Greek word (hen) for “one” in all these instances. Obviously, Jesus’ disciples do not all become part of the Trinity. (Reasoning, 424)

Actually, they do.

First, His followers becoming collectively “one” is meant in the spiritual sense, similar to a husband and wife becoming one flesh (or a man and a prostitute), that is, one spirit, not two. “… Do you not know that he who is joined to a harlot is one body? For “The two,” says he, “will be one flesh. But he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit” (1 Corinthians 6:16, 17).

Secondly, the glorified believer eventually does become folded into the Trinity, which is the only means by which he or she can attain heavenly immortality. Jurgen Moltmann (1926 - ) explains it this way:

The unity of God is the communion of persons. The missions of the Son and the Spirit have brought creation within the Trinitarian process. At the end of time, all will be folded into the Trinity. The history of salvation is the story of the inclusion of creation into the perichoretic relationship (mutual indwelling) of the persons of the Trinity. (Oxford, 1213)
[T]he monarchy of the Father is perceived in the Trinity because everything in the history of salvation comes from him and strives towards him. To throw open the circulatory movement of the divine light and the divine relationships, and to take men and women, with the whole of creation, into the life-stream of the triune God: that is the meaning of creation, reconciliation and glorification. (Trinity and the Kingdom, 178)
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Examining Scripture to see if Jesus was, and is, God.

by jonathan dough in

i'll start with john 14:8-10. .

scriptural support for the triune nature of god, and the gradual recognition that jesus christ, the word incarnate (john 1:1), was and is god, can be found throughout the bible.

the evidence is abundant and unfolds like a flower, foreshadowed in the old testament and revealed in the new testament.

jonathan dough

God is everywhere and so is his divinity, no one said anything about his deity.

I suppose it depends on your definition of divinity. I don't see how you can separate the two. How are they different? is this a dictionary definition?

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Examining Scripture to see if Jesus was, and is, God.

by jonathan dough in

i'll start with john 14:8-10. .

scriptural support for the triune nature of god, and the gradual recognition that jesus christ, the word incarnate (john 1:1), was and is god, can be found throughout the bible.

the evidence is abundant and unfolds like a flower, foreshadowed in the old testament and revealed in the new testament.

jonathan dough

Jeremiah claimed that Jesus was "a god" but not almighty God.

I'm not familiar with this verse. Can anyone enlighten me?

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OT God YHWH versus Jesus' Father

by Mad Sweeney in

i'm starting to think they're not the same being.

thoughts?.

jonathan dough

The OT God is certainly a kick-butt God, but you can see facets of that in the Son when He singlehandedly took on the Jewish hierarchy.

Sylvia

Not to mention Armagedon.

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Honestly, Do You Judge Someone Because Of Their Color Or Nationality?

by minimus in

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friends

one of the first baby dolls i gave my granddaughter was a cute little black baby doll.

she still has it in her car seat and if you try to take her doll from her she says, "my baby!!

" typically little children are color blind.

jonathan dough

Damn straight. I hate the green ones.

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Examining Scripture to see if Jesus was, and is, God.

by jonathan dough in

i'll start with john 14:8-10. .

scriptural support for the triune nature of god, and the gradual recognition that jesus christ, the word incarnate (john 1:1), was and is god, can be found throughout the bible.

the evidence is abundant and unfolds like a flower, foreshadowed in the old testament and revealed in the new testament.

jonathan dough

Which one of you is claiming that Christianity teaches that God is everywhere? That the fullnes of the deity inhabits everything in the universe?

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Examining Scripture to see if Jesus was, and is, God.

by jonathan dough in

i'll start with john 14:8-10. .

scriptural support for the triune nature of god, and the gradual recognition that jesus christ, the word incarnate (john 1:1), was and is god, can be found throughout the bible.

the evidence is abundant and unfolds like a flower, foreshadowed in the old testament and revealed in the new testament.

jonathan dough

One more: The Word Was God John 1:1.

The Jehovah's Witnesses base their interpretation “the Word was a god” on a) rules of grammar, and b) the overall context of the Bible. Basically, they argue that even though a literal translation does not include the indefinite article “a” before God, it can and should be inserted, depending upon the context (Should You Believe, Chapter 9), even though a literal Greek rendering is “and God was the Word” or in English “and the Word was God,” (ibid., Chapter 10; Reasoning, 416, 417).

Strong and Vine’s vehemently disagrees with this grammatical assessment.

(4) Theos is used (4a) with the definite article, (4b) without (i.e., as an anarthrous noun). (4c) The English may or may not have need of the article in translation. But that point cuts no figure in the Greek idiom. Thus in Acts 27:23 (“of [the] God whose I am,”) the article points out the special God whose Paul is and is to be preserved in English. In the very next verse (ho theos) we in English do not need the article, (4c) John 1:1 As to this latter it is usual to employ the article with a proper name, when mentioned a second time. (4c) There are, of course, exceptions to this, as when the absence of the article serves to lay stress upon, or give precision to, the character or nature of what is expressed in the noun.
(4c1) A notable instance of this is in Jn 1:1, “and the Word was God”; here a double stress is on theos by the absence of the article and by the emphatic position. To translate it literally, “a god was the Word” is entirely misleading. Moreover, that “the Word” is the subject of the sentence, exemplifies the rule that the subject is to be determined by its having the article when the predicate is amorphous (without the article).

In other words, the absence of “a” in “a god” lays a double stress on and emphasizes theos so that it should read “God,” ie., “and the Word was God.”

http://144000.110mb.com/trinity/index-7.html#37